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Table Talk with Johann Grander

Hans, it’s been over three years now that we were having the last exclusive talk with you. So it seems to be only logical to ask what has, from your point of view, changed since then?
As far as the water revitalisation is concerned, I can basically say that its efficiency has remained the same in the fifteen years I have been occupied with it. This has also been confirmed by monitoring of devices after years in service. What has changed enormously is our own knowledge regarding the application and operation of our technology. And I am particularly pleased that we have succeeded in reaching so many people with the water revitalisation.

It has always been your greatest wish to again give people “food for thought.”
The last years have proven that the people’s awareness and sensibility has very much changed for the good. And, I really wish this process to continue. We should not let ourselves be influenced too much from outside, because this prevents us from forming our own independent opinion and from thinking of the essential things in life. Everyone ought again to assume responsibility for oneself, as a single person. If we changed our value system more and, above all, the way we treat our fellow creatures and our environment, this would set much afoot in the world.

That means that the condition of nature is closely connected to the awareness of the people?
The same as a healthy nature needs a variety of species, this variety is also necessary for a healthy mental attitude. It’s the variety that causes an equilibrium. By switching over to monocultures we have dis­turbed this equilibrium. Many species of animals and plants are already extinct. In flora and fauna the habitats are more and more restrict­ed. Monocultural plants are hybrid, i.e. they are not able to independently reproduce themselves. They require insecticides to survive, and huge amounts of artificial fertilisers for ever decreasing yields. The motivation is always the same: quick profit. Unfortunately, mental food is also more and more made up of monocultures. By the standardisation and excess of information it is increasingly rendered difficult for people to assimilate and make use of it. This can be compared with bodi­ly nutrition – many overfed people simultaneously suffering deficiency symptoms.

Is the natural growth process too slow for society’s “progress-oriented mentality”?
In nature everything has a slow growth process. Nobody who plants a seedling today can expect a big tree with much fruit tomorrow. Nature also teaches us that there must be a balance between give and take.

Isn’t it somehow surprising that we find it so hard to cope with things that are demonstrated to us by nature?
In nature, everything from the smallest to the biggest has its own special and important function. But: we don’t see the small things and we don’t understand the big ones.

Is it not true that there was great­er knowledge in former times? And that much knowledge concern­ing the connections in nature has been lost?
Yes, I’m sorry to say that nowadays most people have completely lost the knowledge of what is going on in nature and of what really matters in life. It sometimes hurts me to see how people are given a completely false view. They become ignorant of, and blind towards, nature. I wish people would begin by themselves to reflect more on the processes in nature and by this learn to respect it. This knowledge of nature can only come from the inside.

Why is such a great deal of this “old knowledge” lost today?
In our time of continuous economic growth and technical progress, we are led to believe that scientific research offers solutions for everything, and that it is therefore unnecessary to observe the laws of nature.

Is this lack of knowledge one of the reasons for the fact that many responsible people today are only partially aware of the disastrous
effects that their actions may bring about?
You see, we live in a rather material world. It’s only money that counts; that is all people are interested in. So there is no time to be concerned with nature. Being aware of the perfect interaction and interdependance of the four elements earth, water, air and fire, as the fundamentals of the entire material creation, is the pre-condition for recognising how harmful it can be to interfere in nature, and how much these interventions disturb the natural balance and order.

Most scientists say that the Earth came into being through a big bang. We know that you hold an oppos­ing opinion?
As I see it, this is one of the main reasons for today’s worsening natural environment. Somebody who attributes the origin of the earth to a chance “boom”, will hardly be able to treat nature with due respect and regard. If you, however, ob­serve nature intensely and attentively, you will see the perfection in it and will ask yourself, “Who created this perfection?” I have always been fascinated by this thought; it has brought me closer and closer to God. Because it was Him, who created nature for us all. And only if you recognise the earth itself as a “living entity” will you also understand its vulnerability.

You see the network of rivers and streams like a tree, do you not?
Yes, if you look more closely at all the water courses on a map, you will immediately see the similarity to the image of a tree. The small mountain brooks form the twigs; the streams correspond to the larg­er branches and the rivers to the trunks, whose roots are absorbed in the sea. There is obviously a close connection between the mountain springs and the sea. Therefore it is necessary that our rivers are alive. Unfortunately, today we are facing the problem that, by human intervention, most of the energetic lines of our waters – and by this their information flow – have been disturbed and partly interrupted.

How does this disturbance influence today’s weather
Basically, one has to know that – by nature – freshwater is posi­tively and saltwater negatively charged. When freshwater flows into saltwater, huge energies are set free. These energies are responsible for the weather. If these energy lines are disturbed, i.e. when the river no longer has the information, the result may be a disorder in the weather conditions, e.g. a change in the distribution of precipitation or temper­ature. For our weather is essentially influenced by energetic processes, and not only by mechanical and chem­ical reactions, as is the meteorologist’s point of view. Countless disturbances of the micro­climate disturb the bigger world climate. In the future we should pay much more attention to this.

As we know, in the course of your nature studies, it was the weath­er events that impressed you and gave you food for thought. Could you expand on this?
Yes, just in connection with the weather, I have asked myself so many questions to which I haven’t found the answers. What keeps all those tons of water in the air? Why is there sometimes a downpour and later only a drizzle? How is the water transported to pour down some­where else? Why is there no rain in the desert? How can hailstones suddenly appear on an extremely hot day? How are these huge contrasts in temperature to be explained? The entire universe is deter­mined by vibrations (information). As an example, every rock and mineral on Earth is somehow connected with a planet. Therefore I consider the reason for why it rains when and where, or if it rains at all, to be found in the different composition of the minerals in the soil struc­ture, which (according to natural mag­netism) are in resonance with the clouds. Perhaps, this can be compared to a radio receiver, which on different frequencies transmits different programmes from different broadcast­ing stations. I always call white clouds “Ordnungshüter” (protectors of “order”), because when they impact on dark clouds, enormous amounts of energy are set free.

In your opinion, what is the influence of the moon with its phases?
Basically, nature is controlled by the entire cosmos. The moon exercises a great influence on the Earth. Nature as a whole is based on the principle of plus and minus. This is true for the seasons (beginning of winter until beginning of summer corresponds to plus, beginning of summer until beginning of winter to minus), the phases of the moon ( waxing moon is plus, waning moon is minus) and also the daily cycle (from midnight to noon is plus, from noon to midnight is minus). These three cycles work together and bring about the contin­uous changes in nature

In your opinion, how do people, animals and plants react to these cosmic influences?
For instance, plants blossom in spring and animals hibernate in winter. Plants which grow above the earth should be planted at waxing moon, whereas plants growing under the earth should be planted at waning moon. Unfortunately, the influence of the moon is still neglected or even rejected by parts of the scientific community, and some people’s sensitivity to the moon is often dis­missed as pure imagination

How does water react to the lunar influence?
The behaviour of water under the various influences of the moon can clearly be observed. At waxing moon, water leaves the alluvium lying in the riverbed, which can then fill with deposits. Such deposits make the river rise; thus the danger of flooding after heavy thunderstorms is great­er dur­ing a wax­ing moon. At waning moon, the water digs itself deeper into the riverbed, and by this the
riverbed changes its profile. If you pay attention at the time of increased water flow, you may actually hear the river digging.

According to conventional opin­ion, high and low tide are attri­but­ed to the influence of the moon. You have a different point of view?
We should bear in mind that our Mother Earth herself is a living being. And this is why high and low tides are not a consequence of the lunar influence, but the consequence of the Earth’s respiration.

Today we hear much about the ozone hole and the greenhouse effect. What do you consider to be the reasons for these effects?
The air consists of different atmospheric layers, which become thinner at higher altitudes. The high­est air layers, the ozone layers, have the task to of filtering vital energies, transforming them and releasing surplus energies to the cosmos again. If, however, the air is in a damaged condition, surplus energies cannot be released, and we would live in a greenhouse. This damaged condition of the air is a result of today’s air pollu­tion, i.e. more pollutants are produced than nature can bear. In this connection we must draw a distinction be­tween the natural carbon dioxide, which is produced and transformed by living beings, and the toxic carbon dioxide in exhaust gases; and between the natural ozone (mountain air) and toxic ozone ( formed by the transformation of pollutants). Considering the fact that 1 litre of fuel pollutes 5000 litres of air and that exhaust gases contain over 200 different toxic particles, of which only a few are actually monitored, we may have the explanation of why we have to face so many severe problems. In addition to all that, the most important and largest CO2-transformers, the trees, are cut down – all over the world.

We always hear that water animation sets water vibrating. What do you understand by vibrations?
Vibrations are information. We dis­tinguish between positive information, this is the life-affirming vibrations, and negative information, this is the life-impeding vibrations. Every human and living being is – like every mineral – in connection, i.e. in vibration, with the cosmos, each with his own planet, from which he constantly attracts power, transforms it and releases the surplus.

Why is water such an important storage medium?
Two thirds of the human being, up to 90% of animals and plants, and more than 70% of the Earth consists of water. This alone makes obvious, how important water is and how closely connected all life on earth is with water. In every seed and cell the genetic information is present exactly as it is in the water itself. A seed grain can be stored in a granary without anything happening. As soon as it comes into contact with water, it will germinate and begin to grow. It is the information contained in the water that activates the original information in the seed grain.

But if the water itself is dam­aged, what kind of information do we receive?
Being the most important storage medium, water absorbs all influences from the environment, positive and negative information alike. It passes these on to living beings. If, however, water is dam­aged, it will supply harmful rather than vital information. And as a consequence all living beings, in partic­ular we human beings, can no longer cope with many of these influences. If we poison our water, we actually poison ourselves.

How can this development be affected by “water revitalisation”?
On the one hand, by means of the “water revitalisation”, damaged water is restored the positive information it needs to regenerate, i.e. it is invigorated by positive influences. On the other hand, the “water revitalisation” takes over some kind of protective function against various negative influences to which we are exposed in so many spheres of our daily life. These negative influences do not only reach us through the water, but also through our food and through the air.

You often say that subterranean and ground water ought to have an adequate maturity. What do you mean by this?
Water has adequate maturity only when it comes to the surface by itself. If water is “forced open”, as it is often done (by necessity) today, because in some countries there are no more sources left, this water will probably lack adequate maturity. In such cases, the water revitalisation would be of particular significance.

In this connection the mountains, mostly considered dead matter, assume an important function as well?
For me, stones, rocks and consequently the entire mountains are living. They are important sources of energy, bear the largest mineral resources inside, and moreover form the largest underground water reservoir. Inside the mountain the water is filtered and supplied with energies and minerals until it finally emerges as mature spring water.

And this vital process of matur­ing can also be applied to mineral resources, in particular oil. Is that the case?
Yes, because anything that does not come to the surface by itself, is not yet mature and should be left in the earth. This is why I regard the exploitation of fossile mineral resources – just as the useless atomic underground tests – as the greatest pain we can inflict upon the earth.

Water is often called “the blood of the Earth”.
For the Earth, water has a similar function as for mankind. But I would call oil the actual “blood of the Earth”. Thus the exploitation of the mineral-oil resources is very damaging.

Water is an important source of energy, too. Where does it take its energies from?
Above all, water supplies itself with energy from stones and miner­als, which are in resonance with the planets. In nature, every source has different energies and a different taste, because its contents vary with the minerals contained and thus the vibrations information is different. In nature, everything has its own order and its natural cycle. What humankind, for example, might consider to be a waste product could be a valuable food source for nature or another living being.

What are the reasons responsible for water’s loss of energy today?
In nature, water seeks its energy resources by itself, and for this it needs its liberty. Natural water flows over and under the earth, it forms its own loops and bends, and the entire vegetation benefits from this. Now, we deprive water of this liberty by forcing it into canals, by regulat­ing riverbeds, by pressing it through pressure pipes, adding harmful substances, and exposing it to environmental pollution.

How would you briefly describe the significance and the function of the “water revitalisation”?
In our time, water has been dam­aged by various environmental influences; the “water revitalisation” restores the information water needs to reconstruct all the energy it has lost, i. e. its stamina and self-clean­ing power.

What is the “vital” part of the “water revitalisation”?
Basically, we have had 15 years experience, and during this period of time the water revitalisation has never fallen off in efficacy. For this reason, its function can well be considered permanent. Also the energy used in water revitalisation is a natural one, and as we always say, “water revitalisation” transmits vi­bra­tions, i.e. information, and not energy itself. By this transmission of information, the water itself – and through it all life forms – are given the opportunity to reconstruct their self-clean­ing power and stamina, and to restore an inner order. Since it is a fact that information does not involve expenditure of energy, the efficacy will not fall off as long as there is a flow of information.

If water has the tendency to lack energy, what are the effects we get from such water?
Whenever someone comes in contact with low-energy water, by having a bath or shower, by swimming etc., they will feel an energy drop. This creates a sensation of fatigue, whereas water rich in energy provides energy.

It is a special concern of yours that “water revitalisation” will improve the condition of nature itself?
If we see the Earth as a living being, we will understand why it more and more rejects the many painful human interventions and the careless way in which it is treated by people. The consequences are extraordinary natural disasters such as earth­quakes, flooding, storms, avalanches, etc. These occur verywhere on this planet, bringing people face-to-face with the ultimate realisation that they are absolutely helpless against the powers of nature. I regard this course of events, from the spiritual point of view, as simply a necessary cleansing process. This is the only way to make people come down from their high horse and regain their respect for creation and for its natural laws, and to allow nature to develop itself according to these natural laws. It is true that we have already put our nature in such a bad state that we will hardly succeed in stopping this self-cleansing process. We should, however, do all we can to mitigate it. And therefore it is of great importance to me that nature itself benefit from the water revitalisation.

Many people feel the effect of revitalised water immediately; others hardly notice the difference. Do we have to “believe” in the “water revitalisation”?
The effect of the animation, i.e. the transmission of information, is always there. But – just as it is with all matters in life – there are various factors determining which effects the water revitalisation has on different people, i.e. their personality and personal attitude. Thus every person can generally have a posi­tive, negative or neutral attitude. Should he disapprove he will hardly admit an effect from the beginning. On the other hand if he is over enthusiastic, he could develop expecta­tions too high to be fulfilled.

Can it be that people feel the intensity of the water revitalisation’s effect unequally?
In fact, this impression can occasionally appear and there are sev­eral reasons for this. As we have previously discussed, water tends to compensate the energy it lacks as fast as possible. Of course this phase is to be felt most strongly immediately after the water revitalisation has been installed. As soon as the water has reached the necessary energy level, this could give the impression that the intensity had faded. The natural yearly, monthly and daily cycles can be of some influence as well. Just as a tree loses its leaves in fall and sprouts again in spring, water also reacts to the changing natural cycles. On top of that a personal habitual effect may also play a role. This means that in the course of time people get used to the new energy level and don’t realise the difference any more.

Are there any waters that don’t need a revitalisation? And are there people who don’t need a revitalisation device?
In nature, everything is based on the exchange of information. As far as water is concerned, we know that every spring and with it every water is different, because within creation everything is unique. Just as there are no two identical people, there are no two identical waters.Therefore an exchange of information will have some effect on every water, no matter what quality it may be. If the information is positive, the effect, too, will be positive. Of course the same is true for people.

What is the difference between revitalised tap-water and Grander water?
As a result of the many various harmful influences, water today has lost its original purity. Through water animation it is restored all the original information it needs to reconstruct its self-cleaning power and to get rid of the non-participating substances. This is an intense process, which, of course, takes its time. Nevertheless, in most cases, a certain change in taste and partly also in structure will be noticed immediately. Every further change to the pos­itive depends on the initial quality of the water and on the degree of damage. It is impossible to convert damaged water into pure spring water from one minute to the next. The most important thing is to donate life to the water, so that it can again build up its own energetic power and consequently, it is enabled to fulfil its essential protective function. The Grander water is a springwater of high, bacteriological qual­ity. As such, it fulfils all preconditions for a pure, high-grade drinking water already from the start.

Sceptical people sometimes ask for a kind of security that by the water revitalisation only positive energies are converted.
I can understand that. Such ques­tions may emerge, because today there’s a general tendency of being cautious. For me, personally, this question does not arise because I know where the energies come from. It was not me who made this discovery; I received it from God.
I have observed nature for a long time, and I exclusively work with natural energy. And nature knows only positive processes.

You have a special attitude
towards so-called “coincidences”?
As I see it, not a single event in our lives is based on coincidence. This is why I believe that being aware of the fact that everything God allows to happen has its sense and importance and could help many people to cope with their daily prob­lems, even if they don’t immediately see the sense.

So the discovery of the water revitalisation is not a coincidence either?
No. As I have already men­tioned, I was virtually guided towards the water. So, of course, it was not a coincidence. I am very grate­ful that I was allowed to succeed in discovering the water revitalisa­tion. And it isn’t a coincidence ei­ther that we were allowed to acquire this mine, more or less opposite our house, in which we found a water of extraordinary qual­ity, which was the basis for the whole discovery.

Hans, one of the things that I think your friends admire so much about you is that, despite your success, you have remained so modest and so restrained.
I am simply grateful that I was allowed to acquire this knowledge for the benefit of the entire crea­tion. Above all, however, I consider it to be a grace that I was allowed to come to this state of humility, which I want by all means to preserve. Because, only by this humility will the divine guidance and the divine protection be maintained. I’d like to advise everyone to reflect and ask themselves the questions: “Where did I come from? Why am I here? Where will I one day go? Every­one who tries to find the way to humil­ity – and this is certainly not an easy path – will recognise that there are many aids accompanying them.

So you let yourself be guided?
I, for myself, have recognised how important it is to let oneself be guided instead of always trying to succeed with one’s obstinacy. All of us human beings should listen more to the positive information inside ourselves. The more we learn to differenciate these pieces of information and recognise the right ones, the easier we will find it to do the right thing. Thoughts and feelings in the sense of charity are always the right ones.

What do you understand by humility?
It is not easy to express that in a few words. Perhaps the best way to explain humility is by an example: there are people who look down on others because of their financial and social position or because of special talents. They have, however, been given these gifts by God. And others, in their turn, often meet those whom they sup­pose to be superior due to their better position, with a false subservience. Both forms of behaviour handicap true human relations. Humility means seeing the divine soul in every human being, regardless of his social position, and dealing with him in this sense, i.e. keeping company with one another on an equal level.

Why does it seem so important to you that the secret of the water revitalisation never be divulged to anyone?
It is not a secret at all, but rath­er a natural law. The fact that to so many people it seems to be a secret is only an indication of how far sci­ence has already digressed from nature.